Hebbe_84 wrote:
Money, money, money… Money, money, money…
Love the money, want the money,
Give me money, lots of money,
Big, big money; Oh! The money!
Money, money, money…
Well, your understanding of the word “profiteer” is mostly right, except for your limiting it to the sale of essential goods alone. That was its primary use many decades ago, but the English language is always changing, and definitions and meanings of words constantly change, especially as they find general acceptance and use. If you look into this subject more, you will find that profiteering occurs, and the word itself is used, in any situation where there is a short supply of any type of good that is in demand, and many modern dictionaries have even already been updated to reflect such. This word has already been applied and used for quite a while in relation to the sale of non-essential items in many other areas, and I am by no means the first person to apply it to the area of video games. But the rest of your understanding is right. It does involve the situation when the sellers can control, and therefore strongly influence, the market prices, rather than the market controlling the prices. Thus, the market must bow down to the sellers, rather than the sellers bowing down to the market.
The reason why it is so despicable with rare video games is because of why the video games are rare in the first place, which is often as a result of the failure with which the original creators of the games were met. As a rule, they put a lot of time and effort into the making of a product for a market that did not want or appreciate their work at the time, and as a result, they were hit with serious financial losses, and many of the game developers were no doubt out of work for a while and went through various hardships as a consequence. It wouldn’t be until many years later that their creations would be appreciated by some individuals, who would seek to honor the developers in some way by taking care of and appreciating their creations, and thereby preserving that piece of gaming history, which the vast majority of others still couldn’t care less about. But then enter the gaming profiteers who find out about the certain individuals and their appreciation for those creations and who find the opportunity to take advantage of those individuals’ appreciation and make excessive profits for themselves on the sales of single items, to which they are in no way entitled, if they simply get their hands on the rare items that they themselves don’t care much about and wait around for more people to start appreciating those items, some of whom they may be able to take advantage of in the future. Thus, not only do the profiteers tread on and take advantage of the original works of the developers who were met with failure, loss, and hardship – works that the profiteers themselves had no part in and, thus, no right to profit from – but the profiteers also take advantage of the hearts of the people who seek to appreciate those creations and honor the developers in some way. The fact is, if the video game collecting market only consisted of people who actually appreciated the video game creations, caring not about personal gain from the accomplishments of others, all market prices would be much lower for everything, and it would be a lot more fun and enjoyable for everyone involved, since “everyone” in the market would only consist of those who truly appreciated the creations, but with certain systems, the profiteers skew things and do exercise their control and strong influence on the market selling prices for the rare items. I should also add here that I don’t feel that people who “make profits” off of the selling of video games in general are treading on the works of the developers, for if they make a reasonable profit on the sale of each individual game, then they are being paid for their time and energy spent into the taking care of and distributing of the games, as well as the hassle with dealing with potentially angry and difficult customers, so it is that time of work and energy spent, which the original makers of the game have no part in, that they are being paid for, and the market should decide what is a “reasonable” price for that amount of time and energy spent on the work needed for the sale of a single item. And what a great world it would be if the “market” only consisted of the people who truly cared about the relevant products and did not consist of the profiteers, but of course, that is never going to happen.
Thankfully, with Virtual Boy, a person who has the profiteering mentality will find that he won’t be able to fulfill his heart’s desire in relation to Virtual Boy, as even the rarest of commercially released games maintain their steady values over a long time because there are still hardly any people who actually care about them, and there are still enough copies accounted for and available on a regular basis for the individuals who do. Of course, there are always exceptions to this, such as with the still unreleased prototype games, which many people in the Virtual Boy community would still love to appreciate, but these same people may be forced to bow down to the profiteers in the future if they ever want to cherish those failed creations. But for the most part, while the profiteers may find their success more easily with systems like NES and Atari 2600, they will almost always have to be met with disappointment if they seek to tread on Virtual Boy.
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Benjamin Stevens.
HoMenace wrote:
what is wrong with profiting from anything…
Based on your detailed explanation, it strongly seems that you are simply referring to “making profits” or “profiting” from the sale of items. That is completely different from what has been under discussion here, which is “profiteering.” By definition, it is not possible to “profiteer” with common items, it is only possible to do so with very rare items. I think it is perfectly fine if people “make profits” or “profit” off of the buying and selling of video games, as long as they do so honestly. But “profiteering,” no matter how it is accomplished, is despicable, and I especially despise profiteering as well as the profiteering mentality in relation to video games, as video games are a strong passion of mine.
Hebbe_84 wrote:
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Thank you for the post on the values …
You’re welcome.
Based on my knowledge of, and close following of, the Virtual Boy market for the past 3 years, I can inform you of this:
If you would list your near mint, complete-in-box copy of Space Invaders: Virtual Collection on Ebay, making it available to international bidders and providing detailed pictures from all angles of each item, at an amount equivalent to 550.00 U.S. Dollars, it will probably sell within 3 months, and almost definitely within 4. It will be purchased by a relatively new Virtual Boy collector, who does not want to try and get involved with Japanese auction and selling sites, where he would be able to find one for much less on a somewhat regular basis. It certainly will not be purchased by a reseller, who will no doubt know that he won’t be able to sell it for any more than that.
If you would list your complete in box copy of Virtual Lab on Ebay, again making it available to international bidders and providing detailed pictures from all angles of each item, at a price equivalent to 850.00 U.S. Dollars, it will probably sell within 1 month, and almost definitely within 2. For some reason, trying to list it any higher just won’t get anyone to bite.
In both cases, your games will, in all probability, be purchased by collectors who will not have read this thread and who, therefore, will not know of, and will not care about, what you originally paid for those 2 games. These are your upper selling limits for these two games, if you want them to sell at all, and they will only do so if you sell them in the manner described.
If these potential profits are acceptable to you, then go ahead and have at it.
Hebbe_84 wrote:
… Judging me by my first two posts alone may result in me being a “video game profiteer” …
Actually, assessing you by all of your posts now definitely proves that you are a profiteer. If that is what you want to be, then own up to it, and don’t get so defensive when one instantly recognizes who you are.
HoMenace wrote:
3DO Pics
Ahhh… Guardian War for the 3DO… that brings back some good memories. That was actually one of the very few RPGs that I played the whole way through, as I usually don’t like the monotonous turn-based nature of RPGs, but Guardian War did add that extra element of having to setup up your characters strategically as they go into each battle, and then it felt to me almost like a chess battle from then on out, which was so awesome. That game certainly had a certain charm that gripped me. I even left all of the animations on since they were so fun to watch, which probably made the game take 3 times as long as it could have taken. Ahhh yes… good times…
I managed to beat Mario Combat on level hard this evening. Thanks so much, thunderstruck, for the special mention in the game. This was actually my favorite demo of the competition, to be honest. I hope you’ll get a chance to add some more levels to it sometime down the road.
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Hebbe_84 wrote:
Benjamin Stevens wrote:
Hebbe_84 wrote:
@Benjamin Stevens:Well since I’m thinking about selling and explicitly say that the collecting have been on ice for the past few years it would indicate that my collecting days are most likely over. Not that it matters, but when I bought the games I never expected to sell them ever. The same goes for my SNES collection which was once one of the biggest in Sweden. And even if that wouldn’t have been the case, I would prefer you would refrain from judging who is and who isn’t a “true collector”. I don’t see how that kind of comment has any place in this kind of thread at all.
Well, in your first two posts, you revealed that you have known about and collected for the Virtual Boy for over 8 years, and yet in all that time, you never made an attempt to post on this site or get to know the community at all, which has been around since the year 2000. Then, when you finally decided to make your appearance to us, it was solely for the purpose of seeing how much money you might be able to get from somebody for two of your games, to see if it would even be “worth the hassle” to you, which strongly indicates that there is no financial burden in your life right now that is forcing you into this decision to sell your games. Not only that, but this strongly indicates that after having these two gems in your collection for over 8 years and after all the joy that you may have received from playing them and/or cherishing the fact that they were yours for all this time, you now feel some sort of entitlement to receive a profit from them, so you will not only have enjoyed that collection time for free but at the expense of someone else. Thus, you may have well just introduced yourself by saying, “Hey everyone, I’ve been holding onto these Virtual Boy games for 8 years now and never in that time wanted to get to know any one of you folks until now, since I now want to sell these games to someone or ones of you but only if I can make a nice profit in the end, in order for it to be worth my time.”
This wasn’t exactly the best approach to take.
Actually I have made an attempt in the past to join the site, I tried to register a couple of years ago, but I never received the activation mail. I tried a couple of times and then gave up. But even if I hadn’t, so what? Are you more of a collector than anybody who isn’t a member of this site?
No there’s no financial burden in my life right now, which was pretty obvious from my phrasing and yes it actually is a hazzle to sell games in my opinion. I know because I have sold several hundred in the past.
There’s no entitlement, I just don’t feel it’s worth selling if I don’t get enough money, then I’ll just keep them. Simple as that.
The last little rant I don’t really understand at all. The same could be said about anyone selling anything pretty much anywhere.
I’m not that easily offended but I would think that a lot of people are disheartened if this is the way you treat new members. While browsing the forum the other day I happened upon another thread where a newcomer asked if there were roms on the site and people basically called him an idiot. I was polite and so was he, so there’s really no reason for people like you to come into to thread, not actually trying to contribute to the thread, but basically to spread an aura of elitism. Maybe you should take a good look at yourself instead of berating me.
I imagine that you already understand the importance of making a good first impression, and if you analyze your first two posts again, you should understand why they gave the impression that you were a video game profiteer, as your first two posts were all that anyone had to look at concerning you. If you are not a video game profiteer, then that is very good and I have no beef with you. You should also understand why just about nobody who is into video game collecting likes video game profiteers. All of my comments were directed at video game profiteers in general.
alesi80 wrote:
thanks for all the answers.
I’d like to apologize for my illegal question, but in private a member of planetvb told me that Roms were on the site…
Moreover I thought virtual boy and his games were abandonware…
Again, I am really sorry.dear benjamin, do I have both 6 months and 10 posts or just one of those conditions?
what games will I find? Released and not released?
where in the site I will fine them?
thanks again.
Yes, you need to have both conditions met in order to see the commercially released ROMs. Once you have both 10 posts as well as 6 months of time passed since you joined the site, when you log into the site and visit this page:
http://www.planetvb.com/modules/games/?r
and click on one of the commercially released games, you will be able to find the game’s ROM by clicking on the “Downloads” tab. Of course, these are the exact same ROMs that you can already find and obtain on that other site, to which I gave you the link.
As for the unreleased games, like Bound High!, Space Pinball, and Faceball, you should already be able to download them even without the two conditions being met:
Space Pinball’s Location:
http://www.planetvb.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=17180#forumpost17180
Bound High!’s Location:
http://www.planetvb.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=301
OR
http://www.planetvb.com/modules/games/?u001d
Faceball’s and Faceball:Remastered’s Location:
http://www.planetvb.com/modules/games/?u005d
And you should also already be able to download and enjoy all of the homebrew games:
http://www.planetvb.com/modules/games/?hg
Hebbe_84 wrote:
@Benjamin Stevens:Well since I’m thinking about selling and explicitly say that the collecting have been on ice for the past few years it would indicate that my collecting days are most likely over. Not that it matters, but when I bought the games I never expected to sell them ever. The same goes for my SNES collection which was once one of the biggest in Sweden. And even if that wouldn’t have been the case, I would prefer you would refrain from judging who is and who isn’t a “true collector”. I don’t see how that kind of comment has any place in this kind of thread at all.
Well, in your first two posts, you revealed that you have known about and collected for the Virtual Boy for over 8 years, and yet in all that time, you never made an attempt to post on this site or get to know the community at all, which has been around since the year 2000. Then, when you finally decided to make your appearance to us, it was solely for the purpose of seeing how much money you might be able to get from somebody for two of your games, to see if it would even be “worth the hassle” to you, which strongly indicates that there is no financial burden in your life right now that is forcing you into this decision to sell your games. Not only that, but this strongly indicates that after having these two gems in your collection for over 8 years and after all the joy that you may have received from playing them and/or cherishing the fact that they were yours for all this time, you now feel some sort of entitlement to receive a profit from them, so you will not only have enjoyed that collection time for free but at the expense of someone else. Thus, you may have well just introduced yourself by saying, “Hey everyone, I’ve been holding onto these Virtual Boy games for 8 years now and never in that time wanted to get to know any one of you folks until now, since I now want to sell these games to someone or ones of you but only if I can make a nice profit in the end, in order for it to be worth my time.”
This wasn’t exactly the best approach to take.
Hebbe_84 wrote:
Only $300 for Space Invaders in near mint condition? Wow, that seems incredibly low 😮After about 8 years of owning them, I would pretty much break even if selling them at least haha 🙂
I would hope that a true collector who enjoys the hobby would expect no more than to break even, and if a true collector decided that the time had come to sell the collection for whatever reason and then attempted to break even, but the current bidding market happened to bid it up more, resulting in a profit for him, then he should count it as a blessing.
alesi80 wrote:
Dear new friends.I am about to order a flashboy+, I browsed almost all the planetvb site, but I couldn’t manage to find the relased game’s roms…
where can I find them?
thanks
Hi alesi80, and welcome to the community!
Here is where I got all of my ROMs of the commercially released games for the Virtual Boy:
http://www.emuparadise.me/Nintendo_Virtual_Boy_ROMs/27
Also, if you stay an active member on this site for at least 6 months and make at least 10 posts in the forums, you will find that when you log into the site, all of the ROMs become available to you. This is a nice bonus to all loyal Virtual Boy community members.
Happy VB gaming! 🙂
The serial number of PVB User: tegu’s system is:
VN10012462[0]
It is a USA Blockbuster rental unit.
http://www.planetvb.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=28722#forumpost28722
Lester Knight wrote:
tegu wrote:
Lester Knight wrote:
tegu wrote:
As far as I know – this is a rental unit that was never rented out – and was manager owned.what proof can you offer to back up that claim?
Can’t prove it 100% – But by the quality of the unit, the foam in the case, and the amount of games it speaks for itself!
when the vb units sold at my local blockbuster they all looked brand new. i was living in a small town with an over saturation of blockbusters, and well, the vb was obscure and not something kids wanted to rent. you really have no idea if that was a unit a manager took home, and extra unit, one that was hardly rented or what. claiming it is anything beyond “in excellent condition” is a bending of the truth, especially without proof.
Well, the serial number is certainly good enough proof that the unit was an original unit that was sent to a Blockbuster store for the purpose of being rented out, as the serial number falls within the range of the other Blockbuster VB units which appear on the Virtual Boy Serial Number Inventory list. As for the unit never being rented out, it would be nearly impossible to provide definite proof of such, but near mint condition would indeed show that it was handled by few individuals. If tegu knows the previous Blockbuster manager personally, and that previous manager says that it was never rented out to anybody, and this is combined with the already proven correct Serial Number as well as near mint condition which can be verified in person by close inspection, then I would say that all this is about as good of confirmation as anyone could ask for.
Hi tegu,
Can you please provide the serial number, which is located on the bottom of the Virtual Boy head unit?
HP Lovethrash wrote:
Not sold 🙂Cosmoliner wrote:
Rare Promo Vest with Pins.Not cheap… 🙁
Even though it is not exclusively a Virtual Boy Vest, I definitely think that it deserves a place in the Merchandise section of this site, as the primary colors of red and black show which system was meant to shine the most.
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It took me about 16 hours of gameplay time to get the high score on the Alien table in Galactic Pinball, which I posted on this site. Of course, that was over the course of 3 days, so I had to leave the Virtual Boy on for 3 days, and I played about 5 to 5.5 hours each sitting on each day.
The longest single-sitting gameplay time was for Virtual Lab. I am pretty sure that it took me a little over 7 hours in one night to get the high score which I posted on this site.
BoboTheGreat wrote:
Hello PlanetVB,
I’ve had a Virtual Boy for a few years now but I just joined this site recently. I noticed a lot of posts about the FlashBoy cart but I still do not know how to purchase one. I’ve checked the threads about them but most of them are outdated and a couple of years old. How can I buy one or contact someone to purchase one? Please Help.
Greetings BoboTheGreat,
The best thing to do is send Richard an e-mail (he checks his e-mail more often than he checks this site) to his e-mail address located on his profile page here:
http://www.planetvb.com/modules/usercenter/index.php?section=profile&uid=545
In your e-mail, ask him if he is making the FlashBoy Plus carts at the moment, and if so, what the current price is to purchase one.
HP Lovethrash wrote:
… Must be the 2nd page if we assume she’s in fact counting.
Actually, I believe that it is the second edition of the whole magazine that she is counting. The image where she is holding up one finger is the front cover of the first edition of the magazine, which is extremely rare and nearly impossible to find, while the image where she is holding up two fingers is the front cover of the second edition of the same magazine. Thus, the number of fingers must correspond to the edition number.
Alexander wrote:
Ok cheers guys by storage does it matter where I leave the focus switches? It’s gonna be on display in the games room in my house and get played every so often. I read somewhere it can pull the ribbon out of place by leaving it on neutral. Cheers
As far as I know, you can leave the focus slider wherever you want, and it should not have any effect on the ribbon cables. It is the IPD dial that you need to worry about. For long-term storage, it is recommended that you rotate the IPD dial counterclockwise (to the left) as far as it can go. This will put the least amount of stress on the ribbon cables inside.


